This whole project of exploring different faiths and belief systems has taught us a ton. We are constantly asked why we’re even bothering to do this and visit all the places that we are. What it essentially comes down to is just plain curiosity and desire to expand who we are as humans by exposing ourselves to as much culture and education as we can. There’s a ton of things that exist around all of us in the day to day world that we’re entirely unfamiliar with. Luke and I have decided that, relative to religion and spiritual beliefs, we don’t want to be unaware of all the ideas and philosophies that exist–that help to contribute to the world in which we live.
It’s easy to read history books or websites or even a blog and get a factual account of how and why things exist, but it’s entirely different to be able to experience it first hand. I won’t pretend that going to visit the Hindu Temple suddenly made me aware of what it’s like to be follower of Hinduism, but a small glimpse in to the culture of which we are unfamiliar can only add to who we are as people, and to help obtain a greater understanding for the people we share the planet with.
We called the Church of Scientology this morning, told them what we were doing on this project of exploring and writing a blog and told them we’d love to come visit and asked if it would be okay. A gentlemen on the phone (I’ll make everyone anonymous since they specifically pointed that out as a concern) told us they’d be happy to have us, and give us a tour and he’d have someone ready to meet with us and answer all our questions when we arrived. We were definitely stoked to be visiting a place where we felt welcomed, and to be learning about something brand new. On the road to Buffalo we went…..
When we arrived, we took some pictures outside the building like we always do, a woman who was getting out of her car said, ‘Hey, come take some pictures inside!’ and even held the door for us–it was obvious they were happy to have visitors. We walked past numerous signs inviting people in for tours and a movie that was being shown that day. Just inside the door seated at a reception desk, a friendly young girl asked if we were Luke and Chris, and again, we felt very welcome. We filled out some visitor papers, asking for our contact information and how we had heard about the Church. At that time, the man from our phone call came and greeted us, as did another woman. We talked with them more about what we wanted to do and why we were there, and expanded on the phone call with some personal stories of what we had done so far with visiting other places.
At this point, it was explained to us that because we have a blog, and would be writing about our experience to share with others, we automatically were to be directed to a “communications person”. At the beginning of that being mentioned, it was said that maybe we could get an interview with the “communications person,”, and when they called this person to ask her about it, we were then told she would answer any questions we had if we wrote them down and left them for her. We were given a DVD movie and told that someone would be in touch.
I understand completely why the Church is interested in protecting themselves. I’ve said all along how lucky we’ve been that so many people have welcomed us with open arms and gracious hospitality. No one knows us, and we could be anyone with any kind of agenda. Remember, even the “Borat” movie was created by doing interviews under a false pretense, and he even got sued later, so I totally understand.
We spent all afternoon trying to figure out what our feelings were about being turned away, and what it meant for us. We were being denied? Should we take it personally? We are definitely not professionals in journalism, or writing, or even research, but have we been doing this project all wrong? Maybe it was the cold rain turned hail, or the trip to Buffalo that seemed like all for naught, but we eventually drove back to Rochester a little weary, but not thrown off our path.
Since we were in Buffalo anyway, instead of making the trip a total bust, we did a little exploring. After leaving the Church of Scientology, we stopped at Spot Coffee to collect our thoughts and make a plan. We did quickly step inside St. Louis Church as a Palm Sunday mass was ending–that one really warrants another visit after researching a bit more of the history. Plus, we found the memorial marker where William McKinley was shot (by the way, he was shot by a member of the Oneida Community!), and then where he later died.
Since we were nearby, we also went to Forest Lawn Cemetery, and stopped at the burial place of Millard Fillmore, the 13th and least known President of the United States. In my opinion, we couldn’t have visited Forest Lawn without also stopping to pay our respects to another famously laid to rest individual, Rick James. May they all rest in peace.
The day wasn’t a total bust in my opinion, but I’d be lying if I said we weren’t just a little broken-hearted that a Church that had posters and signs up inviting anyone and all in for a tour turned us away without getting past the reception desk. I hope that door will soon open itself and we’ll get another chance at traveling to Buffalo.
Google and Foursquare helped a little, but do you guys know of any other places we could’ve visited while in Buffalo?



cheer up, just go again in the summer.
Sorry to hear that it did not go well. You would have thought they could have told you that before you drove all the way there!
Aunt Pat
Forest Lawn is awesome! Don’t let the scientologists get you down. Had a similar experience at the same location.
There are a bunch of other great churches and synagogues in Buffalo, if you are going to return http://www.pbase.com/kjosker/churches&page=all . Lots of beautiful old architecture.
Ani Difranco renovated a church years ago into a studio/ art space http://www.babevillebuffalo.com/pictures .
And FWIW, the Albright Knox art gallery or Historical Society are likely more culturally enriching than having your thetan levels read ;o)
I understand their concern, for it seems the line between amateur & professional blogger has become nonexistent. Does seem a sad statement though, of a country founded upon freedoms – religion being high on the list. What have we done? Glad you enjoyed the day, great pics and tidbits about local lore. I always enjoyed touring the naval yard, though the weather may need to be a bit better. Lots of WWII history including ships n sub, very cool. Nice tip above about Ani DeFranco, there’s also Frank Lloyd Wright homes.
I was hoping having my thetan levels read was going to give me some new insight on something… But great suggestions, thank you!
I was really interested to read about this visit–I’m bummed you guys didn’t get to experience more of the church!
You should have visited us in the apartment building next door. There are at least six Scientologists living in our building and I’ve never known one of them to shy away from a conversation.
Such a shame you went all the way there only to be turned away. Doesn’t bode well for them I’d say. I can understand them being careful…but what are they hiding? hmmmmmmm
So you are journalists and, therefore, threatening. I guess you can be complimented with the label. Thanks for trying!
Chris, sorry you guys didn’t have a great experience there… a few ideas for you to consider in your quest:
First Unitarian Church, Rochester (where I taught “Holidays and Holy Days from around the world” to 4th graders – very cool place!)
Lily Dale, http://www.lilydaleassembly.com/ – cool little place sw of Buffalo
Plymouth Spiritualist Church, Rochester NY (I know a couple of folks who attend)
Spiritus Christi, Rochester NY
Dave (friend of your friend Julie)
Thanks Dave! This is a great list, we are definitely planning on each of these, eventually we’ll make it everywhere!!
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You are very democratic about this. A “Church” basically is so threatened with the truth being exposed that they wont even be honest with you, someone with obvious good intention. Well, I know that you’ve done your homework. Stay away. Stay far, far away from the culties.
Thanks for your support Joey! We had done our research ahead of time and knew what we were getting in to. Actually, the more secretive they get, the more interested I am in finding out what they’re hiding.
If those Scientologists thought you might be journalists, then they may well have decided not to risk talking to you.
L Ron Hubbard, the founder of Scientology, was not exactly friendly towards journalists. His explanation for why there were so many critical articles written about Scientology was that journalists were “merchants of chaos”, who deliberately made everything seem bad, even if it was good, in order to sell more papers.
Hubbard had similar problems with various medical and psychiatric groups who were concerned about the claims he was making for Dianetics and Scientology, and he gave them various labels as well and urged his followers to attack them. To this day, Scientologists believe “psychs” (psychiatrists) are THE MOST EVIL PEOPLE in the universe. Journalists are not too far behind.
Thanks Sid. I’ve read of LRH’s distaste for the untrustworthy. Actually, I don’t always even trust journalists! We were taken aback since they said “yeah, c’mon out!” and then when we got there, they changed their mind. It didn’t seem very nice. Nonetheless it’s an interested story for us to tell our friends! Glad to have you as a new friend of the blog.
Although I am sure the people you interacted with at that lower level of Scientology were lovely and sincere, it is not a church. Scientology is a business, and a corrupt one at that. On top of being a business it is a cult. An interesting combination. It’s members pay exorbitant fees for each step of the way to total enlightenment. To put it in Buddhist terms, Nirvana costs about $500,000. The folks you communicated with work long long hours for virtually no cash pay because they are paying their way to Nirvana (in Scientology it’s called OT, or “Operating Thetan”, thetan being their word for spiritual being) via sweat equity let’s say.
And yes, L. Ron Hubbard was extremely paranoid of the media, he was paranoid. Scientology Inc. is extremely paranoid of the media and considers journalism in any form dangerous.
And it’s not just paranoid of the media. It is a whole “us against them culture”. David MsCaviage, current leader of the cult has taken this paranoia to whole new level. He rules his glassy eyed sheep, the few left, with an iron fist. They live in fear for their eternity should they make a wrong move. They could be shunned. Thousands have left of their own free will and thousands have been shunned. It’s really mad and almost unbelievable. Scientology has always been a little whack but since the death of LRH and the take over (and it was a coup) by MsCaviage it is just a mad house.
At this point it is nothing but a real estate scam. I am sure you noticed the beautiful big high tech building that you visited, or maybe you didn’t notice since you never got past reception. That building was bought by donations from the last few standing parishioners. deeded to the corporation, and rented back to the local folks, working for free. Get it?
So when you see a welcome sign, an invitation to come on in to a Church of Scientology, run on by.
Thanks Michael. We plenty of suspicions going in, but we still were (and still are) learning more about the ideas and philosophies. From an educational standpoint, and the perspective and being able to develop compassion for all beliefs, it’s one we still wanted to try and ‘experience’.
Rather than run, we are actually thinking of trying again sometime later in the future!
OK, I think you can safely go in. It sounds as if you have been inoculated. Have fun! And of course, it’s not all bad. The philosophy that is mired down there somewhere beneath the mind control and the greed, some is good.
What you experienced is classic cult behavior. They appear warm and inviting, but they must have absolute control over the flow if information. Because the media is capable of independently commenting on Scientology claims and exposing abusive practices, journalists are greatly feared. Fornunately enough information is out about this cult that their deceptive recruitment is less effective than it once was.
Want the real scoop on this cult: http://www.xenutv.com/blog/
Dan
Thanks for the support Dan. I wasn’t aware of the link you posted, I’ll be sure to follow this and get some new perspectives. Appreciate you reading here and being involved!
I hope that you will come back to Buffalo and check out the beautiful basilica, Our Lady of Victory http://www.ourladyofvictory.org/Basilica/Welcome.html
Also a great Botanical Garden out that way.
Peggy
Thanks Peggy! We are planning to spend the day in Buffalo in a couple weeks, and have a long list of places to go. Our Lady is top on the list !!
Hello, I’m only a couple of hours into exploring this wonderful site, BRAVO! for illuminating the very rich spiritual treasure trove of our area. Best actor (I’m a huge fan), and local guy, Phillip Seymour Hoffman has a new movie, it’s still at the Little; The Master. Generally agreed he’s portraying Mr. Hubbard. Wonderful performances all around, but it probably has added to their sensitivity. Carry on!